#163693  by ibrook52277
 
Hi all,
I've been getting really into Bob's playing these past few months and am looking for how to get that sound from 73-74. Funny enough, my neighbor gifted us his old JC77 which does nail that later 70s Bob tone. I've been playing through a Mexi Strat with single coils that I purchased when I was looking to play mainly Jerry parts. Currently, I'm looking at picking up an Epiphone 335. I'm already well underway on learning all the different inversions. What amp was Bob using in 73-74? Any other tips? Thanks in advance.
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 #163695  by Dozin
 
In 73 Bobby played into two rebuilt Twins, one of which powers a pair of Alembic B-12 cabinets, each having two D-120 JBL's in it. He drives his extension speakers with McIntosh 2300 amps.
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 #163706  by strumminsix
 
I found a great tone in that era from a Vibroverb amp. I think that 15" speaker was nicely voiced for what Bobby accomplished tonally and how he sat in the mix.
 #163717  by lovetoboogie
 
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Weir didn't use Twin Reverbs in 1973 or 1974...he used a component based system centered around a Furman Parametric EQ which served as his preamp...

With some variation his rig was as follows...

Furman Parametric Equalizer/Preamp
Orban Sound Reverb
Eventide PS101 Phase
McIntosh 2300
4 Alembic B12's loaded with JBL's

Last known gigs for him with Twin Reverbs are at end of 72'...

In this pic from June of 73' you can see his stage rig:

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Here's a good close up of his rig from March of 73'... Dig the vintage strobe tuner on top!

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For 1974 it is virtually the same setup but its moved into a taller rack mount. In the summer of 74' a Trident 9066 and an Alembic F2B as well as the Furman are in his rack. Not sure of the signal path for that one.

By 1975 he is back on regular pedestrian amps...Music Man's and Mesa Boogies...

The Trident and Furman Parametric EQ preamps come back into his late 70's early 80's rig. As well as the IVP, etc... He certainly discovered that active EQ and ran with it. Kind of a key to his tone from 73'- on...IMHO
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 #163720  by lovetoboogie
 
Dozin wrote: Fri Dec 07, 2018 9:11 pm I got from an article
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Yeah...I always see that Twin and 2x12" as well...Weir's rig is in that tall rack right behind them to the left of the drum riser...

That amp and cab are monitor fills for Kreutzmann to hear either Garcia or Weir or Godxhaux...it's sits right behind his head!
 #164264  by WeirGrateful
 
Humbucker pickups 335, SG or the like into a California type amp ,Fender Twin ,Masa boogie MK or SoB, Roland JC (clean clean clean). You do not have to recreate the exact rig Bobby was using to get his tone.
Check out the Weir Grateful channel on youtube.
 #165389  by grateful dave
 
Thank you everyone for your input. I play in an early era gd tribute band enjoying ‘68-74 (among others) and play the Bob part. I just purchased a 65 reissue fender twin 2 x 12 85 W with Jensen speakers. Our lead guitar player nearly insisted I get a super reverb, but I like the clean, clean, clean. .. and who’s paying for it anyway, LOL. Any advice with this amps settings (I.e. volume) for his tone with those controls is greatly appreciated. I will dial it in with my ears eventually, just asking for a head start. Thanks!
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 #173710  by Slewfoot2000
 
Resurrecting an old thread as this topic is something I've been thinking about recently, specifically the difference in sound between Bobby in 72 vs 73/74.

Bobby's tone in 72 seems to be pretty classic in sound for a brighter Gibson ES-335 with humbuckers. I am guessing his settings on it are with the bridge and neck tone knobs pretty close to 10 to get more of that brightness. Sometimes the tone is almost metallic in a way.

He then moved to the Gibson SG for whatever reason. This must have played a role in the tone softening, but at the same time it is still a Gibson with humbuckers from a close enough era.

It seems like Bobby moving away from the Fender Twin pre-amps to the Furman combined with the the Orban Sound Reverb played the biggest role of all in the difference in sound between 72 and then 73/74. If you click on the YouTube link below you can clearly hear the style of reverb this unit provides which is certainly akin to Bobby's more soft, natural, decay he used back in those two years. I'm guessing Bobby also lowered the volume and tone on the bridge pickup to allow for the warmer neck pickup tones to come through more.

I've been playing around with guitars recently and one thing I noticed for us home users is the following: an ES-335 will pretty much get you there for the 72 sound. But an easy way to get closer to the 73/74 tone is to get a true hollowbody like an Epiphone Casino or Gibson ES-330 (which are the same guitar). Yes, these use single coil P-90's, but the airy quality of the full hollowbody guitars help provide that space combined with the warmer jazzier tone.

Anyway, just wanted to share some recent thoughts / observations.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2RI6La1t1ts[/youtube]
 #173711  by Cozmik Cowboy
 
Slewfoot2000 wrote: Tue Sep 27, 2022 5:35 pm <snip> I am guessing his settings on it are with the bridge and neck tone knobs pretty close to 10 to get more of that brightness. <snip>

<snip> I'm guessing Bobby also lowered the volume and tone on the bridge pickup to allow for the warmer neck pickup tones to come through more. <snip>
Based on my readings/listenings, Bobby was noted for not using his neck pick-ups; in fact his later Ibanez customs had none. They put 3 Strat-type p/ups in the space where an actual Strat would have the middle & bridge.
 #173712  by mkaufman
 
Cozmik Cowboy wrote: Tue Sep 27, 2022 8:33 pm
Slewfoot2000 wrote: Tue Sep 27, 2022 5:35 pm <snip> I am guessing his settings on it are with the bridge and neck tone knobs pretty close to 10 to get more of that brightness. <snip>

<snip> I'm guessing Bobby also lowered the volume and tone on the bridge pickup to allow for the warmer neck pickup tones to come through more. <snip>
Based on my readings/listenings, Bobby was noted for not using his neck pick-ups; in fact his later Ibanez customs had none. They put 3 Strat-type p/ups in the space where an actual Strat would have the middle & bridge.
No single coils in '73-'74.

ace
 #173713  by Slewfoot2000
 
Yes, correct that Bobby only used humbuckers in the early - mid 70’s. In fact, don’t think he ever used single coils until he had the coil taps in his custom Ibanez a few years later. I could be wrong though.

@cozmik cowboy - that is my general understanding as well that Bobby liked the bridge pickup. But his tone in 73 / 74 does not sound very bridgey to my ears. Possible he just turned the tone knob way down to darken it while utilizing the bridge pickup.

But regardless of what he normally did throughout the decades, those two years of 73 / 74 stand out as a much more unique tone than his other years. The soft, spacious, Jazzy sound must have come from somewhere different. Exactly how we may never know. Gotta do what works best for each of us!