#20395  by BayAreaBB
 Fri Jul 13, 2007 1:39 pm
Where do people recommend placing reverb within your setup? I currently run my real tube reverb through the effects loop of my Trio. All other effects (octave, mutron, delay etc.) I have running through my gcx controller. I prefer to haver reverb on 99.9% of the time so I felt it was best positioned within the Trio's loop vs. my onboard effects loop, that would have to always be engaged if I wanted reverb on all my playing. Thanks.

 #20400  by jackaroe1276
 Fri Jul 13, 2007 2:47 pm
Not sure that I' familia with the Trio or the GCX, however wherever yor reverb is it should be the last effect in the chain by standards. That being said experiment and see where you like it best.
 #20402  by strumminsix
 Fri Jul 13, 2007 2:50 pm
BayAreaBB wrote:Where do people recommend placing reverb within your setup? I currently run my real tube reverb through the effects loop of my Trio. All other effects (octave, mutron, delay etc.) I have running through my gcx controller. I prefer to haver reverb on 99.9% of the time so I felt it was best positioned within the Trio's loop vs. my onboard effects loop, that would have to always be engaged if I wanted reverb on all my playing. Thanks.
If I were you I'd take the reverb and the delay and run then both through the GCX and both in the FX loop.

 #20428  by myoung6923
 Fri Jul 13, 2007 6:52 pm
If you plan on turning them on or off then you will need to put them on one of the GCX loops.

I use a Boss Giga Delay DD20 and have the external switch set to control the preset switching. Then I use an unlatched footswitch with a long instrument cable to actually switch through the delay presets while being able to leave the delay up on the rack.

The delay is in one of the GCX loops and so can be bypassed using the ground controller or stepped through the presets using the footswitch. I don't ever turn the reverb off and in my opinion, imn most cases, it should be the very last effect in the chain - so I ran the reverb directly from the output of the GCX - and then into the amp. you can see a picture of most of the components here http://www.bigrhythmwine.com/gearheads/ ... CF0471.JPG

 #20709  by BayAreaBB
 Tue Jul 17, 2007 10:54 am
My delay is the last effect in my loop. So, if I am using the onboard effects loop setup with my GCX, wouldn't my guitar signal hit the loop on the Trio last, which is where my reverb currently resides? I'm trying to think through the guitar signal, from origin at guitar to final output through speakers. Does this sound right?

 #22938  by mrMix
 Fri Aug 24, 2007 2:25 pm
I place my reverb pedel in my effects loop last.
Guitar>Wah>Fuzz>OD>Octave>Amp
Loop = Vibe>Chorus>Reverb

 #27589  by BayAreaBB
 Mon Oct 22, 2007 10:28 am
So, I moved my Real Tube Reverb to last in my GCX unit. Sounds great coupled with all my other effects, except my QTron. When the Q and reverb are on together, the Q sounds distorted and does not have a clean envelope. Anybody else encounter this? Thoughts/recommendations?
 #27591  by Tennessee Jedi
 Mon Oct 22, 2007 10:43 am
I got the Micro Qtron.Sometimes it gets muddied up with all the pedals going.Which leads me to the next question -do you like the GCX?I really dont have a clue about your Qtron probs.but the Gcx is a bypass gizmo,right?

 #27594  by waldo041
 Mon Oct 22, 2007 11:41 am
reverb IMHO, should be ran after the preamp and before the poweramp. ran last in the GCX and it will be turned off when switched with the onboard fx loop, i am sure you are using on your guitar. if you do not have an fx loop in the amp or the guitar, then last in the chain after the delay is best, unless you run it in the amp effects loop that would be better.

try running the preamp to the reverb then the power amp.


peace,
waldo
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 #27597  by BayAreaBB
 Mon Oct 22, 2007 12:09 pm
Thanks Waldo. I'll try running it between my Trio and Mac. For some reason, when I ran it in my Trio fx loop, the effect did not work (the loop was all the way 10), which prompted me to move it to my GCX.
 #71558  by jdsmodulus
 Mon Jan 11, 2010 7:00 am
PM me for more info. Last week Waldo and I worked out the Trio>reverb>gcx and mine sounds great.
 #162006  by ciannotti
 Sun Jul 29, 2018 8:58 am
Need to revisit this topic..
Am setting up a my first rig.
I have a Demeter RV-1D real reverb rack unit, am running pedals looped into a GCX in front of preamp. I have a Wolf w OBEL.
My only question is should I run the Demeter reverb into the GCX (in front of preamp) or should I run my other effects through the gcx, then to the preamp, then go from preamp to reverb to MC amp?
I plan on using the SMS preamp reverb often but want the flexibility to use the demeter reverb at times instead of the sms reverb. I should be able to achieve this whether I place reverb in obel or after preamp. Just wondering which scenario is best for sound quality.
 #162010  by waldo041
 Sun Jul 29, 2018 1:59 pm
BayAreaBB wrote:
Fri Jul 13, 2007 1:39 pm
Where do people recommend placing reverb within your setup? I currently run my real tube reverb through the effects loop of my Trio. All other effects (octave, mutron, delay etc.) I have running through my gcx controller. I prefer to haver reverb on 99.9% of the time so I felt it was best positioned within the Trio's loop vs. my onboard effects loop, that would have to always be engaged if I wanted reverb on all my playing. Thanks.
Nothing to add but the OP's question did raise a question in my head, Did Jerry's TRIO have an Effects Loop?

~waldo
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 #162029  by playingdead
 Tue Jul 31, 2018 5:03 am
waldo041 wrote:
Sun Jul 29, 2018 1:59 pm
Nothing to add but the OP's question did raise a question in my head, Did Jerry's TRIO have an Effects Loop?

~waldo

I believe they all had them -- the two I owned back in the day had the loops. It also had a mix control. I remember it was a challenge to get the levels working well with the RT-921, I think I wound up with it going 100 percent wet on the RT-921 and then dialed it in with the mix control. Whether he used it or not is another question, but it would have been logical to run the reverb there.

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 #162031  by waldo041
 Tue Jul 31, 2018 6:18 am
playingdead wrote:
Tue Jul 31, 2018 5:03 am
waldo041 wrote:
Sun Jul 29, 2018 1:59 pm
Nothing to add but the OP's question did raise a question in my head, Did Jerry's TRIO have an Effects Loop?

~waldo

I believe they all had them -- the two I owned back in the day had the loops. It also had a mix control. I remember it was a challenge to get the levels working well with the RT-921, I think I wound up with it going 100 percent wet on the RT-921 and then dialed it in with the mix control. Whether he used it or not is another question, but it would have been logical to run the reverb there.

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The early ones did not. The effects loop is a revision that comes later. So if JG had an early one, he did not have the effects loop. But regardless the effects is just a pot inserted at the end of the amp to mix a clean and effected signal. The real tube rt921 already does this but much better then just using the TRIO mix pot and effects loop. Like Vic found out, if you do, you have to set the rt921 all the way wet and let the TRIO mix it.

Just my observations on emperical testing research of the subject.

~waldo
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